
Beyond Biologics: Emerging Cell-Based and Targeted Therapies in Rheumatology, With Roy Fleischmann, MD
Fleischmann discussed new modalities emerging in the rheumatology field, with the closest frontier in lupus.
Chimeric Antigen Receptor (CAR) T-cell therapy cell therapy has demonstrated that drug-free remission in systemic
To discuss where the field is headed, RheumatologyLive spoke with Roy Fleischmann, MD, Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Co-Medical Director of the Metroplex Clinical Research Center, and Co-Director of the Division of Rheumatology at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, Dallas, following his session on new molecules and modalities at the
On CAR-T, Fleischmann acknowledged the striking early signal: the majority of patients treated in lupus trials achieved drug-free remission, establishing proof of concept that sufficiently deep immunologic reset can produce sustained disease control. The practical barriers, however, are substantial — cost, the need for specialized hospital infrastructure capable of delivering the therapy, the uncertain durability of remission, and the current reliance on lymphodepletion conditioning before infusion. His view is that CAR-T as currently constituted represents a first-generation proof of principle, and that meaningful clinical deployment will likely require another generation or 2 of refinement toward greater cellular specificity. T-cell engagers (TCEs) — bispecific antibodies that redirect T cells to deplete specific immune cell populations — are attracting more near-term enthusiasm among rheumatologists, Fleischmann noted, largely because they can be administered subcutaneously without the cell manufacturing and lymphodepletion requirements of CAR-T.
The key open questions for TCEs are durability and the degree to which they reproduce CAR-T's side effect profile: current first-generation TCE responses appear to last in the range of 3-9 months, leaving unresolved whether they are best deployed as induction therapy followed by a maintenance monoclonal antibody, or as a recurring intervention. Beyond cellular approaches, Fleischmann pointed to emerging monoclonal antibodies with more precise mechanisms — including plasma cell–targeting agents and improved B-cell depleters — as potentially obviating the need for TCEs entirely if used early enough in the disease course. The honest answer across all of these modalities, he emphasized, is that the patient numbers remain far too small to draw firm conclusions — but the directionality is clear, and the field is moving.
“There are some safety issues, but we also know, it's really, really expensive, and… the present therapies kill all the B-cells, and that's not really what you want to do. But CAR-T does tell you that if you have a very effective drug, you can actually get a patient into full remission,” Fleischmann said.
Flesichmann’s disclosures include AbbVie, Amgen, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Biogen, BMS, Boehringer Ingelheim, Eli Lilly, Flexion, Galapagos, Galvani, Gilead Sciences, GSK, Novartis, Pfizer, Regeneron, Roche, Samumed, Sanofi Aventis, UCB, Viela, and Vorso.











































































